henry kissinger, jim baker, james schlesinger, many others have all agreed with that as a goal for the world. it is an aspiration. we should always be aspirational. but it is not something that can happen in today's world nor could any leader today sit here or in any other chair and promote the notion that we should be cutting down our deterrent levels before inadequate levels to maintain deterrence. the military has strong views about what that is. we have cut down some 1500 now. there is talk of going down to a lower number. i think it is possible to get their, if you have commensurate levels of inspections, verification, and guarantees about the capacity of your nuclear stockpile program. i know you are deeply invested in that component. we can get to some of that may be later in the hearing. i believe we have to maintain that. i don't think senator hegel is sitting there or will go to the defense department and be a proponent. this is talking about conflict resolution, changes that have to take place the that the society's -- societies. it is worth aspiring to. and we are lucky if